SummaryDr. Erin Baker discusses the concept of joy and its distinction from happiness. She shares her personal journey of discovering joy and how it became the focus of her work. The conversation explores the associations and misconceptions around joy, the importance of being present and intentional, and the challenges of pursuing joy in a society that values hustle and sacrifice. The discussion also touches on generational differences in attitudes towards work and the pursuit of joy. The conversation explores the concept of joy and how it relates to finding fulfillment in one’s personal and professional life. Dr. Erin Baker discusses the idea that people often prioritize doing things they are good at, even if they don’t enjoy them, and neglect their true passions. She emphasizes the importance of identifying and embracing one’s zone of genius, which is aligned with their joy. Dr. Baker suggests that the path to joy is not a volcanic change but rather a series of small, intentional shifts. She encourages individuals to conduct a joy audit and make small changes to align their activities with their joy. The conversation also touches on the contagious nature of joy and the positive impact it can have on others. Gender differences in the perception and pursuit of joy are briefly discussed, with women often feeling guilt around prioritizing their own joy. In this conversation, Matt, Tom, and Dr. Erin Baker discuss the importance of prioritizing joy and finding a balance between work and personal life. They explore the challenges of being a parent and an entrepreneur, the societal expectations around work and success, and the need to redefine what it means to have it all. Dr. Baker shares her insights on how to incorporate joy into daily life and emphasizes the importance of being intentional and curious. She also discusses her experience working at Facebook and the creative aspects of her role as a quantitative user experience researcher.Keywordsjoy, happiness, pursuit of joy, presence, intention, associations, misconceptions, work-life balance, generational differences, joy, fulfillment, zone of genius, joy audit, small changes, contagious joy, gender differences, joy, work-life balance, parenting, entrepreneurship, societal expectations, redefine success, intentional, curiosity, creativity, quantitative user experience researcherTakeaways

• Joy is distinct from happiness and can be felt in any moment, even in challenging or sorrowful times.
• There is an overlap between joy and being present, as well as with connection, curiosity, and creativity.
• Many people have associations with joy that are not positive, such as being irresponsible or selfish.
• The pursuit of joy is often hindered by societal messages that prioritize hustle and sacrifice.
• Generational attitudes towards work and the pursuit of joy differ, with younger generations rejecting hustle culture and prioritizing a balanced approach to life. People often prioritize doing things they are good at, even if they don’t enjoy them.
• Identifying and embracing one’s zone of genius, which is aligned with their joy, is key to finding fulfillment.
• The path to joy involves making small, intentional shifts rather than seeking drastic changes.
• Conducting a joy audit can help individuals identify activities that drain their joy and make changes to align with their joy.
• Joy is contagious and can have a positive impact on others.
• Gender differences exist in the perception and pursuit of joy, with women often feeling guilt around prioritizing their own joy. Prioritizing joy and finding a balance between work and personal life is crucial for overall well-being.
• Societal expectations around work and success can often hinder the pursuit of joy and fulfillment.
• Being intentional and curious can help incorporate joy into daily life.
• Creativity can be found in various roles, even in seemingly data-driven positions.
• It’s important to regularly check in with oneself and make adjustments to maintain joy and purpose.

Chapters00:00 Introduction and Welcoming Dr. Erin Baker 03:21 Differentiating Joy from Happiness 06:17 The Overlap between Joy and Presence 08:25 Unraveling Associations with Joy 11:10 The Challenges of Pursuing Joy 14:37 Generational Attitudes towards Joy and Work 25:11 The Power of Small Changes 28:09 The Contagious Nature of Joy 48:15 Prioritizing Joy and Work-Life Balance 50:04 Incorporating Joy into Daily Life through Intention and Curiosity 52:07 Regularly Checking In and Making Adjustments for Joy and Purpose